All were grounded for a while due to the battery issues at launch.
What do you think?
No major accidents were involved there. It would seem preposterous to not ground all MAX until the problem is conclusively addressed. I think any airline with them on order should make a statement to Boeing by suspending those orders too. It surprises many today but the majority of pilots coming up the ranks are no longer military. The majority are from schools like Embry Riddle. I do agree that the regional jet system allows for more flight hours and experience before taking the controls of a larger jet like the MAX — in comparison to other regions of the world.
But most of these regional jet pilots who are advancing to become the future of mainline operations never saw military flying. This is the deadliest commercial jet ever flow per , hours of flight time. It should be grounded immediately. I fly Southwest regularly and will not get on this plane. All MAXs need to be grounded immediately. Most accidents are due to human error. I avoid third world airlines unless I have no choice.
I had a terrible experience on EK due to a maintenance issue and would never fly them again. Boeing is covering their design error and has no regret to do this. Cost of lives to Boeing is much cheaper than grounding planes and orders cancelled. I will pay all costs to avoid MAX.
My life is more precious than rebooking fees!!! The amount of people onboard the flight of Ethiopian Airlines was not over like the article says. Regardless of that this is a very tragic incident and my thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends of the people onboard. People these days are too uppity about safety when flying.
I have not seen anything saying that the MAX is unsafe. Hundreds of daily flights are operated by a MAX, and only two have crashed. Yes, that is a lot of fatalities, but the A also had a large number of crashes right when it was introduced as well, and no one is calling it unsafe. The thing is, the MAX is a very safe plane, possibly with one flaw that will be fixed.
Boraxo Emirates is far from a third world airline and your opinion is very discriminatory. Ethiopian is the most successful carrier on the continent and is incredibly safe and reliable. So is the MAX. Is it safe? My confidence in the MAX aircraft has seriously diminished. Thoughts with those affected. I wish people would stop making assumptions. It would seem to be something of concern since both crashes have been so tragic, with no survivors.
Just because it is a widely used aircraft and would impact airlines, it would be smart to ground these planes. My guess is that there will be a significant number of people unwilling to fly them anyway. I hate how automated they are making planes. More proof the world needs pilots. All this new automation is very dangerous. Both incidents seem identical. These pilots must have sat there and watched with no ability to stop it. Pilots should resolve constant training on stall and low airspeed recovery, planes will never be able to be designed to save a bad pilot.
But a good pilot can make the best of a bad situation , unless the plane is over automated and takes over completely with no way out. No I would not fly on those. I read that the models of B MAX delivered are about at the moment. And they have been released since It is difficult to believe that 2 major crashes like these are due to coincidences. Maybe it is also due to pilots being unprepared, but still something is wrong with these model I think. In addition, the accidents of Lionair and Ethiopian Airlines are pretty similar, both crashed after the take off..
So, I would never fly on one of those because i would feel very unconfortable. Researching this more there appears to be another issue that correlates with the issue of the MCAS. That is that only 4 specific MAX simulators have been delivered around the world thus far. Southwest has one. American has none.
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The only training most pilots are getting on this directive is a briefing of what to do vs. I would imagine due to being one of the few carriers that can currently replicate the scenario in a simulator. I have 10 flights on 5 different airlines the next few weeks and if some of those flights was on a Max, I would try to change it. Not only the same plane but 2 brand new planes. Sure, you can find cases with similar planes in the past…. The cause of the Lion Air Crash is very clear. Problem 1 The Max is unstable as the engines are much bigger than what the airframe was designed for Problem 2 Boeing marketed the Max as a plane which will need no retraining from the NG so Being engineers were forbidden to make changes to planes physical design to make it stable Problem 3 Boeing Engineers changed the flight control software to include MCAS which through fly by wire makes the Max fly the same as the NG Problem 4 Boeing designed MCAS to take inputs from only one AoA sensor instead of both.
In the NG if the Trim system is misbehaving the pilots can pull back on the yoke and the Trim System disengages. In the Max this feature is no longer there and instead pilots have to push 2 trim disengage switches this system was also there on NG as a backup Problem 7 Boeing did not tell the pilots that pulling back the yoke does not work anymore. So Boeing made a design decision for commerical reasons, than did not tell the pilots about it for marketing reasons, then designed that component MCAS without redundancy and dependent on one component single point of failure ,then manufactured that component to poor quality standards, then removed one of the main recovery modes for this failure and then did not tell the pilots that this recovery mode was no longer available.
At this point this looks like a criminal case not just a civil lawsuit as these grossly negligient decisions have led to the deaths of over people. I cannot believe you actually get PAID to fly airplanes with the level of ignorance displayed in your post. Maybe you should stop letting your airplane fly you and fly the airplane yourself like your flight instructor probably had to tell you on every one of your clearly ineffective training flights. Stop spewing your nonsense on here. The Advanced Technology Winglet is also offered as a retrofit kit to NG, and some airlines have been very fast at installing them.
Matthew Not sure why you are upset at Ryan. There are three steps needed with the MAX in this situation that are all counter-intuitive and unlike previous variants. It would be similar if this were a car to tell the owner that this new model has an issue that, if the brakes fail you should 1. Stop trying to apply the brakes. Remove your cigarette lighter. Roll down your windows. And, as I pointed out earlier, with only 4 MAX simulators in the world currently delivered only a few pilots have actually been able to train for this scenario as most use the NG Simulator American for example.
Instead, there is a certain sequence of steps that must be taken to disable it. So, it would appear that Ryan is correct here. Boeing should pay for their errors and all these innocent lives. I have no doubt it is some sort of design failure. The is a mass market, volume aircraft designed to fly in their thousands around the world.
Making something as basic as an anti stall feature so complicated that it needs a super experienced captain or an ex airforce hot shot is poor design and execution. Boeing rushed a half baked redesign to market over a completely new single aisle jet because Airbus was eating their lunch in that market. A lot of pilots now come out of the same training programs feeding the higher paying international carriers certified to fly s and even larger jets.
The joint of the upper and lower parts as well the tips are easily distinguishable IMO. If this was a Southwest, American or United flight going down and the victims were all United States citizens, there would be continuous news coverage today and televised Congressional oversight hearings into the Max program with a temporary grounding order. It appears that there are max 8 aircraft in the air at this very moment.
It would seem to be safe to say that at least fly per day. Some airlines, like SWA, would have two or three take-offs and landings per day and bump that number even higher. Two crashes are alarming, but it would appear that the Max 8 is still pretty damn safe. Consider this: the aircraft may not have been properly maintained, and the pilots not trained well. There is no need to ground the fleet, it is perfectly safe. There is definitely a major flaw here.
I am booked to fly on the MAX 8 next month. I m really concerned now and have written to the airline checking if there will be an equipment change. Not a chance in hell I will fly the MAX at all until they are fully investigated. Currently live in the UK, moving to Seattle area. In general the way to get rid of automation is to disconnect the autopilot. You are correct that this action would not disconnect MCAS. While it is not a one-step procedure, for you pass that off as anything other than a very simple and easy procedure to perform is quite disingenuous.
Taking a look at MAX deliveries on Wikipedia link blocked , of the delivered, a large number have gone to non-US, non-Europe airlines. I am flying to MEX on Friday and I was relieved to find that the two legs that are on a are on a If they had been on a MAX I would have made every effort to rebook. So, no to the MAX. If you are a pilot I am assuming you are why are most pilots then calling the three step system completely archaic and difficult under this kind of pressure situation and, in both cases, at a low enough altitude that there is little time for recovery?
On most airplanes including the one I fly, a nudge to the control yoke disables the autopilot. One simple motion. In an emergency this ludicrous process is demonstrably and ultimately treacherous. Boeing has failed humanity by not stressing the critical necessity of specific training on the procedure. I would still fly in one, with a decent airline, due to the overall safety of flying. Driving to the airport will be the riskiest part of the trip. Make that planes in the sky. Its highly racially biased to suggest this.
Even the worst pilot in the world would not nose dive feet into an explosion. This is a definite equipment issue. The question is not whether or not you would fly a max. Some pax have no other alternative. The question is if you would now knowingly fly a max if you had another option available. If doing something like that would be hard for a person, then that person has no business in the cockpit of any airplane.
If that person cannot do that procedure in her or his sleep, they are the worst risk their passengers are facing — not the airplane automation. The problem is not MCAS. MCAS is merely another software input into the electric trim system. There are lots of things that make inputs into the electric trim system; however, the procedure remains the same regardless of which specific input is causing the objectionable electric trim system behavior. The problem here is that pilots are not doing what they are supposed to be doing to stop runaway trim. Instead of getting on with developing the This is what we know two brand new jets crashed flown by non western airlines.
They are mostly identical to the older versions, except for engines and software changes. Determine what is different from the ng and the max, and see if it affects safety. The root cause needs to be determined. Lets not forget that the had a stellar record and had a few crashes and hard landings. Until it happens to an American carrier nothing will happen. Typical white American racist and superiority comments reflected in the comments on this issue are not surprising.
Matthew The point is not that the Trim disconnect switches still work. The point is that in the NG there were 2 ways of disconnecting runaway trim — the trim disconnect switch as well as pulling back on the yoke. I have struggled in school since I was 12 years old, and at the time was funding my own college education…even more difficult to complete, given my inability to do math as I was majoring in business.
A friend recommended that I be interviewed by Southwestern, as they DO in fact get tips for contacts with whom to associate in order to grow their business through networking. Just like any other real business! It was the summer of my graduation, and I had a decision to make if I was ever going to get a shot to get out of the midwest and have a real career. So I did a ton of research on the books unfortunately not enough on the training progam itself , and borrowed a car to go to Nashville for a week of intense training before setting out to New England.
Had I not wished that I had these books for myself for all of the years of struggling in school, and never having a single teacher to could explain things to me in a manner that I could understand, I would have not thought twice about turning down the internship.
But I knew that I would be selling books that would legitimately help a child like the one I had been; and that there may just be parents out there that would take a moment to truly listen to their children and buy them a tool to beyond that provided in the egregiously low budget public education system. Southwestern itself- yes, it is intensely difficult…and to be frank, I loathed my managers. However, it gave me an out. An opportunity to try something different and learn something about myself.
And I know I sold books that were excellent quality. It also taught me a TON about self-motivation, sales and business in general. The sales I made were from lovely parents who took the time to listen, rather than immediately being skeptical and — clearly — amply rude. Is it because the person doing these things is an underprivileged, hard-working college student taken away from their home and put into debt by Southwestern?
Can you understand that one has nothing to do with the other — but that both are undesirable to many people for different sets of reasons? As a result many many people have shared similar experiences. I assure you that my own public education was excellent — and my children have an even better one. Thank you for your honesty involving how you felt about your managers. I hope you have since found people who you can work for and associate with that are more positive and fulfilling for you and your life. You and a few others obviously had a terrible experience with a southwestern salesperson.
We did over 50 million in sales this past summer! In the summer of we had over half a million customers! There are less than people on this website that have had a bad experience with us. Do you not think you are making a complet over-generalization of our company and our salespeople? Yes you are absolutely right.
We attract students every year to come work for us and the crazy part is they come back all because we train them to work very hard for very little. Oh and if all else fails little timmy. It will make you feel better if you fail to just blame the customer.
Your ignorance truly does suprise me. We have a great product! It actually has been the number 1 sold reference book in the country for years! Southwestern salespeople most of them sincerely care about our customers and not only IF the product is right for them but exactly WHICH product will be best for them. How in the heck could we possibly help you make the best decision if we dont ask you questions and your kids and how they are doing in school? Most people have great ones. Dont be an idiot. Gee only bad experiences.
The principal is neither female nor carries the name given. When I told him I was not interested, he insisted on wasting an hour of my time with his hard sell techniques. He left mad when I stood my ground, after accusing me of wasting his time. I recognized every one of his tactics. Including your descriptions of me as a senseless idiot with my head up my ass.
Do you end many failed sales attempts in such a respectful way? I feel you have personally done more to make the case against Southwestern than the people who have written in with complaints, concerns and reports of fraudulent bank charges. There is little to no indication that my experience was not a typical one with Southwestern. Thousands of people have viewed this post for information, and a significant number if only a small percentage of visitors have shared identical stories to my own as well as alarming variations.
Pretending to work for our school district to get into our home, then asking about neighborhood children and when their parents are home. If this strikes you as acceptable, we share very different values. Since, to you, this seems like the idiotic concern of someone with their head up their ass — again, I want to thank you for your Southwestern affiliated opinion on the matter. There are over homes in my subdivision alone and at the last HOA meeting, nearly every homeowner was present, complaining about the SWA student scamming the neighborhood.
I also suspect that their BBB rating has more to do with their location, and folks filing with the BBB in one area vs. How many kids do your neighbors have? Who are their teachers? What track are they on? Are you usually out at this hour or do you usually stay home? Give it time. I am considering working with Southwestern this coming summer. As I am trying to make an informed decision, I am only becoming more bewildered.
I think that if I am honest with the people I meet, do not misrepresent myself, and try earnestly to only sell them what is best for them, how can I go wrong? I also was approached by Southwestern and offered an internship. Yesterday, I recieved the most random phone call from a student manager about this internship and I decided to go to an information session and find out what it was about. I went there today, and I listened and saw the book, and I decided that I would give it a try. I was briefly questioned by one of the student managers and he said he was looking for maturity and independence.
Apparently, he saw that in me, so I was invited back for an interview tomorrow. Those who are hired will have expenses to pay. So the hotel stays during training and Sunday outings were my first clue. So many people dislike this company. Since we are technically not employees of Southwestern, who will help us if we get arrested for trespassing?
I live in Texas, as do my parents, so if anything were to happen to me, who would help? So I called the guy and cancelled my interview. He was very rude over the phone, but I decided that if I had to step on his toes to ensure my safety, I would. This reminds me of Vector Company except it is much worse. My boyfriend is actually at an information session for it right now…He is NOT going to do this after reading about the negative experiences people has had with this company.
Thank you for this blog. I was going to do this Southwestern thing till people had told me how it was a scam. Then I read this and turing it down seems to be the right decesion. Thank you so much. If anyone has any information on whether any parents or students have filed a claim or taken any kind of legal action against this company and what has been the outcome, I would appreciate an email. Or does anyone know if the company has been investigated for how the program is promoted and implemented and how the college students are compensated?
My son has signed up and is currently starting work. I am worried for him and need some facts. There are several reports and resources listed within the post. Reports of Southwestern salespeople being arrested for their lack of certification, improper licensing, and for lying to their target market are among them. Also detailed is the manner in which the company uses tried and true methods of cult-like conditioning to assure devotion and allegiance. There are also links to investigative reporting attempts resulting in legal maneuvering that forced retraction of certain statements while leaving other blatantly damning allegations intact.
If those allegations had no merit — it stands to reason that Southwestern would have had them retracted as well. I was visited this evening by a college student intern who was selling these books. She made it very clear up front that she was not affiliated with the school district but that she was selling books that were fun and educational ….
It does seem to me though that Southwestern takes advantadge of these young people. Not a safe place for a little young lady to be after dark. Everyone Be Careful!!! The week-long training school in Nashville was very stressful and she wanted to give up at first, but sincerely wanted to do a good job this summer to help pay for her college expenses. She had tried some of the math materials they gave her to sample and found it was helpful for her trigonometry final, so she really did think there was value to the materials they were selling.
She was fortunate to have a nice host family whose son has successfully participated in the program in another state with two other sales people staying with her. Their information for the parents of the workers would lead you to believe their day ended at 4pm. Also, it was not made clear to us that she would be alone, going door to door. She, and we, were given to believe that local schools would be providing the names and contact information of families that might be interested in their materials, so it would be directed marketing. The first day, she just shadowed one of the student managers, who was very rude to her and kept all the profits from that day for herself.
The second day, she was left by herself in the pouring rain all day in a neighborhood, which as it turns out, was one of the worst in the area. As she was walking door-to-door, a car started following her with a man inside who was saying incredibly rude things to her. She finally sought shelter in a public library and called me crying that she wanted to come home. After calling her dad at work to get his advice she dediced to give it one more day if she could go to a different neighborhood.
Since she still had hours to wait for her ride, she decided to try selling again since people would be getting home from work. The same man was circling the neighboorhood looking for her so she hid behind a fence until he left, then went back to the library. She contacted her student manager who gave her a different neighborhood to work, but advised her to go to their city hall to get a work permit. Turns out the police were well acquainted with the man, he was a registered sex offender who had just been released from prison about a month earlier for assaulting several girls.
My husband made a plane reservation for her to come home the next day and her host mother was kind enough to give her a ride to the airport. My daughter, and probably the majority of the students in the program, really have the best of intentions in entering this internship. She was excited to have something all lined up. Fortunately she gave up before she had invested too much money in it and before anything really bad happened to her.
This story just saddens me. I can understand that a lot of kids come from rough back ground and have had to work hard under some very difficult circumstances. To them, this job might be ideal and they may be used to dealing with being treated poorly or risking their safety in order to make a buck for food. Kids who are in this situation and want out; please understand that there are scores of other options. Being smart, standing up for yourself and seeking something better for yourself are not weaknesses.
These are signs of strength of character in someone who will not take less than they deserve. Everyone deserves safety and access to family, food, water, rest, and a reasonable income, even when sales are not made. Be brave and ask for help. As someone who recently quit the internship, I can address some of the things the company coaches us to do.
I began my training months before I even left for Nashville. I had to meet with my student manager at least an hour every week; every week I was fed all the glamour of the company. When I got to sales school, they spend half of the week working to pump you up and to be terrified of being a failure.
If you talk to people who are in this program, they all say the same things about how incredible it is and they teach you to look down on anyone who is too weak to do this. They have years experience brainwahing students into giving up their summers. We have a designed sales talk for every aspect, even some of the talks we have almost belittle people for not having money supposedly to buy these books. We give the same examples to every person.
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Our business is designed to keep on chipping away at you until you finally give in and buy. We try to sell you the feeling that your being a wonderful parent before you get a chance to really think about it. If you feel this is deceptive, then sadly again you are right. Fourth, we are told to get as much info about people as possible. Alot of the sales practices are psychologically based; we are suppose to pressure you from every angle especially socially.
We need to not only figure out how to get into your life, but also your neighbors life so we can try to sell to them. I had safety issues and the cops begged me to leave. The cops were amazed this company would send a student to work in this area again, after they had had issues before. The company got me to believe I would be an absolute failure if I were to leave; I sobbed for days until the cops begged to leave.
If you think my managers were the least bit sympathetic towards my safety being greatly jeopardized, then you are dead wrong. I got screamed at for not working hard enough after I was almost attacked. NO doubt this is a scam but you kind of blew your credability when you had to bring politics into it and somehow blame Republicans. Now there are two scams; the books and you! Perhaps you missed the pertinent information. Here you go.
We live in the country, so you can imagine that door-to-door salesmen are not a common thing. He approached me the very same way it was described above. He claimed to be visiting all the families in the county with children. He kept giving names of people I was supposed to know who I would guess live on our road, none of whom I knew.
He tried very hard to ingratiate himself to me and get me to sit down on the porch with him for his pitch. He asked personal questions about being the mom of the house able to make spending decisions, what grade my kids were in, what curriculum they used in school, etc. He then asked what I liked about the product he showed me. It looked decent so I asked for a brochure to further investigate. This seemed extremely questionable to me.
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Or for people to share with others if they are satisfied with that product? Well, I then asked who published the curriculum. But the information was vague at best. When I tried to look up the company, I came up blank. I was given the full name of the company — Southwest Advantage — and a phone number.
I did not call the number as the operator could not say what the number was for. When the young man and his friend were about to leave, they asked about our neighbors. Who has kids, who would be home, etc. There was just something very suspicious about this guy and how he was acting. The sales rep visited our house 5 mins ago. He was not deceptive or misleading. He stated that he was not associated in anyway with the school system. He moved on after his sales pitch and did not pressure us. He did ask questions about if we knew our neighbors.
I discounted my neighbors endorsement because my neighbors are kinda stupid anyway. We are both college educated and did not see the advantage of spending money on these books and cds and website. We purchased this 6 yrs ago when our kids were in 2nd and 3rd grade. They did not use the books but they did play the cd games and learned nothing. We gave the books to the school library.
I feel sorry for the employees. The young girl here seemed wonderful. I had these people at my door yesterday. Seemed really nice young students but many things didnt make sense. She gave some excuse why she didnt have a card and didnt give me the website info. She wanted yes or no on the spot which to me a proper business would leave information for a potential maybe. These girls said the company was started by a group of teachers. They said they were from British Columbia and were talking to moms in Ancaster Ontario.
We have business cards now! So that solves that issue. But we decided that business cards and backtracking are effective if ti helps our customers to feel more secure. Most of the college kids recruited for Southwestern are good, honest kids. The company goes as far as to instruct students not to call home. These people from Southwestern are only interested in making money from your hard work. I actually got in trouble for emailing my dad during sales school. They really do try to cut you off from your support system entirely. Before hand I was told to be very limited in what I told my parents about this, as they would talk to them for me.
Needless to say, they completely lied to my parents about what I was going to be really doing. This alone is troubling. The word needs to get out that this is a dangerous company using kids as a source of cheap, expendable labor. One more thing for parents to look at about this company is the executive blog by RRyan Davis or Ryan Davis. You need to hear this. Really bad too. Just be aware of it. Their intentions are good — they want to see you be safe and do well. Take a stance against this company. A video shows an older man giving a lecture about pessimism and optimism.
In his example the optimist child in his example will dig through horse manure to find a pony while the pessimist will only complain. Well, I think the only manure that these students should be digging through is the manure being spewed by this man Mort Utley and Southwestern Advantage. The one factual component to his lecture is that he is partially honest. Students will be digging their way out of a horse load of crap. However, they are correct about Helicopter parents. They are way off base by using this to take our older kids from us, so THEY can educate them. This company preys on those kids that do not have this ability.
They preys on inexperience and the budding independence of young adults. Asking a young person to avoid informing their parents when they are in trouble is dangerously irresponsible. I had visitors today, a male and a female. Your blog described the situation entirely.. They claimed to be visitng all moms from my school district, to know the princaple of the elementry school, and that all of the families who care about education are ordering. They came around last year but I told them that I was busy, which I was, and they never came back until today..
It was completely uncomfortable and they had a subtle way of making one feel like a horrible parent. Oh you signed up for books. Did u sign anything by chance? Oh you did? Did you read anything on the receipt? Yeah you should do that before signing anything. There is a website on the receipt. Oh you havr such a cool blog but tou may have forgitten right?
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Did the saleswoman point a gun to your head and say buy the books? My name is timothy devance. I worked as a college intern for two summers and earned 30, to pay my moms cancer treatment. I had a college kid come to my door too. But I knew the whole schpeel she was going to tell me. I bought. Oh are you mentally challenged or something? Keep complaining. Sounds like a plan? Best of luck. Pretty amusing that you assume the exact opposite reaction from reality in each of your questions which appear to be attempts at being rhetorical.
Of course I would have read the agreement not the receipt before signing. Thanks for thinking the blog is cool. Only the use of guns would make these sales dishonest, aye? If your intelligence and grammar are indicative of these quality educational materials — I am all the more certain that they are trash. Just so everyone knows, I started a petition against Southwestern Advantage. Please sign and share this. This petition was created to help both the student workers and consumers. I was approached today by an intern for this company who did actually say that he was not affiliated with the school disctrict.
Sent him on his way with a polite no thank you. Two Southwestern Advantage males just left my front porch. I do remember having a girl visit by herself in my very rural neighborhood 2 summers ago. Same speel everyone has described. I actually pictured them piled in a corner, collecting dust while the boy talked. He was very nice.
I asked him questions about his company and mentioned my shock about the girl 2 years ago selling by herself. His response was that his company has been doing this for over years and has never had anything bad happen during sales. They did ask to buy a bottle of water at the end. PS — I just gave them both water. Not only is this a scam, but when a salesperson asks to use my bathroom, I get upset.
I called the police. Just had a nice young woman from Montana stop by and give her spiel. She did identify herself right away as selling books and not being part of the school system although she did allude to it upon her introduction. She did write her phone down for me on paper when I pressed her for it.
She did unobtrusively inquire about whether there were young children at the neighbor houses or whether to just skip them. I realized my back door was open after she left which made me uneasy but nothing is missing and the likely culprit is my 3 year old not latching it on his way inside. It does seem unwise for her to be solo in a rural area but hopefully the low crime will be in her favor. I had a young girl stop at my house a few hours ago. She was in a very thin sweater, capris, and flip flops.
It was 50 degrees out this morning. She said she was NOT with the school district. She showed me the product, which actually seemed really great yes, I saw the cow example. I felt bad because she was really sweet. She told me my neighbor had told her I had kids. She told me that this neighbor and one other had purchased books. After reading the reviews, I went to these neighbors whom I have never met and told them about what I had found on the product.
Both of them are canceling today! Canceling seems like the wisest idea — just remember what the Southwestern agent on this comment thread said:. I had a college student female visit my home 2 days ago. She asked if I had a place we could talk, that it would only take 5 minutes of my time and that she was in a rush because she had 35 other moms to meet with.
Inside, her story changed a few times. She had stated that our neighbors had purchased the products from her for homeschooling … but their children attend public schools. On the porch, she stated this was for college credit, then it switched to her needing to pay for her education … even though she had a full scholarship. After questioning her and looking over her sample materials, I realized I needed to pick up my kids from school. We quickly wrapped up, I gave her a post-dated check, and gathered my receipts. I was rather excited about the program, as my parents and grandparents purchased me every educational program under the sun to help me succeed.
We also found reviews from parents that stated the SAME missing components on the website. Customer service responded that we would get a cancellation confirmation within business days. I will be calling customer service on Monday to request that and to make certain we are not charged for the website access. If anything goes awry, I can always contact the BBB. I would also mail a request to the company, TODAY, and send it return receipt mail to add further proof of your cancellation. If you review the posts, you will find this company continues to charge your bank account even after requests to stop.
Certainly the company does have its vices but at the same time it does do many things well IMO. First and foremost, I firmly believe the company is NOT a scam.. According to the dictionary: Scam is defined: a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially for making a quick profit; swindle. I was never told it would be easy, or that I would become rich overnight.
I was told that if I worked hard and focused on the controllables I would see success. I mean this with all due respect, but in todays day and age privacy does not exist. Nothing is private anymore. The reason we get that information is so we can A. Serve customers who could potentially use our products and B.
We simply ask what grades the children are in and whether or not mom or dad are usually home during the morning and evening so we can catch them at the right time. Because we have a full spectrum of products from the little guys all the way through high school that is our way of doing market research. Obviously at first glance this information may seem suspect, but we ask that so we can catch mom or dad home, not so we can rob the house a later date.
Certainly, the information could be misused no doubt, but as far as this company goes, their intentions are in the right place IMO. They believe in their products I will discuss more on this later. So getting more information about you would mostly prove pointless. Is it really that hard to believe we actually just need to use a restroom? If so I ask that you question your faith in people. Yes there are some bad eggs in the world. There have been individuals who steal from homes, and they are obviously kicked out of the program when caught and go to jail.
Having worked on the east coast this summer, I can honestly say that many of the gas stations did not have public restrooms. As far as misleading individuals to thinking the we are from the school district I can see why people are wary. Whether or not the individuals choose to follow the sales talk word for word is a different matter but I personally never heard someone tell me to omit that.
We were always told to say the sales talk word for word. An example to how I messed my talk up: I once told a dad.. As far as the the actual products go, I felt they were solid enough to sell. I percent believe that if you use the products they will help.
I can say this years products were a significant improvement over last years. I honestly would have used them in high school.
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And though the web component is a work in progress, I do agree it could be improved more. I really liked the kids books, i met many moms who bought years ago and still use the books today. That made me really happy. Dad: as far as the cow example goes, IMO I believe you took it on of context. The examples in the books are supposed to be funny for that particular product. The sentence is obviously intended to be funny and humorous. I had many moms laugh at the sentence, and at the end of the day the little one knows that cows make milk. The intended audience of would not have any use of knowing a scientific break down of how milk is made.
Perhaps if that was pushed in a high school book, then it would be different and I would be percent in your corner, but considering is was a toddlers book, I personally feel you are overblowing the issue. Something you also may not know is that the author of the cow book helped produce School House Rock. Just something to keep in mind. The company does go all in when it comes to being positive etc, which inevitably makes it carry some cult like qualities but IMO the company does a good thing and many many people are better off for it.
I met many many amazing people and I look forward to continuing to build those relationships. As of right now I came close to breaking even even after a month of living expenses etc. I did not write this to convince anyone of anything, simply to say that those kids knocking on your door are human beings and should be treated as such. I hope this helps clear up some misconceptions. Whether or not you think the products are valuable is for you to decide, but I ask you simply have a little more faith in humanity.
If you have any questions feel free to email me. I consider this another good example of the reason they hire college age interns rather than parents. I never make a scam accusation, by the way — being informed of what the word means. Thank you for the direct quote from the book for toddlers that tells them that how milk is produced is unknown.
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Huge red flag to anyone interested in raising intelligent kids. I appreciate your taking the time to write about your feelings and experience with the subject. At the very least honestly ask yourself if a potential patron should trust a company any company vs. The product could be pure gold and I would reject it outright because of the institutionalized predation on college students and unsuspecting families.
As it stands — the materials are shown to be blatantly counter-educational as well. It is essential for them to harness lack of life experience and uninformed idealism in young adults for the program to work.
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