That is charismatic Christianity in action! A lot of people think that one scripture cancels out another. Instead, we need to compare scripture with scripture and rightly divide the word. But it has to mean something! So what does it mean, exactly? Rather than trying to cancel it out with other verses, why not take some time to tell us what you think Paul means in this passage?
I sometimes listen to Beth Moore in the distance. That is, I listen to her on the radio while washing clothes, vacuuming, etc. Jonie, nope. But kindly back check whatever you hear. Paul commended them Bereans because they did not believe him point blank but went to the scripture and checked whatever Paul has preached.
It applies to whoever we are listening. You will know then for sure if listening to Beth Moore is profitable for you or not. Just saying.. Thank you for this article it makes me love Beth all the more as you are narrow minded and unloving in this article.
Few are addressing this particular passage in their defense of lady preachers. I am personally interested in anyone explaining to me why Paul would forbid this if the culture of his time truly supported women in leadership…which is what everyone seems to be claiming. Clearly, using the argument of Paul forbidding women preacher because no one would accept women in a leadership role, is contradicted by what all the pro lady preacher crowd is saying about the early church accepting women in leadership.
I ask in response, why are you even turning to this scripture when referring to a woman who is a teacher of other women. All her books speak to the reader assuming the reader is feminine. Beth Moore never went to seminary. Because seminary is not where Baptist girls are supposed to go.
Women are luck that Beth Moore studies scriptures as intently as she does. You mentioned if your heart is telling you something is wrong, then it usually is. Actually, Jeremiah 17 tells us that the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked. We need the word of God, not a feeling we have, to confirm the truth we believe.
You need to read what the Bible has to say on this matter, and not go by your feelings. Please give your biblical justification for the art and science of hermenuetics. What does this device of man have to do with faith? Acts How do those trained in science and observation, walk by faith, but sight, when we are not to walk by sight? In Acts 14 Paul rips his clothes to shreds when named in honor of this false god for the message he delivered.
Why do we yet strive to be able ministers of the letter and not the Spirit 2 Cor. One thing I have learned is that no one not even Paster. My Grandmother was my first preacher. Women were preachers. Who are you to Judge God and who he works through.. There is a vs that says in those days we will be has the angels neither male or few male. Paul commends the Bereans for being skeptical of his message.
Should we not follow the same example for anyone who comes into our sphere? This point has been hammered enough in this thread. If it is wrong to judge, then stop judging. You are taking that verse out of context. We are all equal in Christ, but we all have different roles. You will never sing bass, and I will not have babies. The real problem here goes back to Genesis …. God was saying that Eve because she was found in the transgression…….
Bingo… her in lies the problem and has always been the problem. I am so glad there is no marriage in Heaven….. Reading these comments is exactly why people struggle to understand Christianity. Would Jesus Christ judge a woman vs a man like this? It is so strange to see Beth and her ministry so judged based on scripture in Timothy. I appreciate your concerns and efforts.
Please keep it up! To be forewarned is to be forearmed, spiritually! We have a duty to be the watchmen in Ezekiel 3 and 33 to look out for false doctrines and anything that draws souls away from the simplicity that is in Christ.
I am very encouraged by your example. Thank you Michelle! Paul had MANY women on his ministry team and left many women behind to start home churches. Women always preached in the churches, always. Paul often encouraged it. In fact in 1 cor , Paul admonishes the Corinthian church to stifling a woman from preaching but instead encourages the church to allow her to speak. Timothy was having problems with these women snubbing him and working on their outer appearance as opposed to doing good works. He will one day give an account to God over all of this.
So yes, you can teach outside the church walls and at conferences. The article is weak. No references or teaching anything about the original language. Head, authority, submit, have often been misinterpreted from the original greek for purposes of power and control. Beth is clearly ordained of God. Not my personal liking, but she has been called to preach. Kim, Michelle is not wrong and she most certainly knows scripture.
Paul made it very clear that women are not to teach over men. And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper [disgraceful] for a woman to speak in church. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. Beth Moore tells a lot of blah-blah me stories, with some Scripture verses thrown in.
Josh, thanks for your succinct list of the main problems with teachers like Beth Moore. Spot on! These pide pipers are twisting the word of God by not reading it in its full context. I can see many people oppose this article. They are the weak Christians voting for Hillary Clinton. I am sure they have not even recognized the evil Obama has done, but that pales in comparison to what Clinton is about to do.
I have attended several teachings of Beth Moore. I personally love what she has to say. God talks to me on a regular basis too. I am not catholic… I am a daughter of my king! The king of kings and the Lord of Lords… and yes, my Father talks to me because He loves me and we have a relationship together. The God I serve is a God of Love and not dictatorship. Josh you contradicted yourself in the same message… you said that the apostles died and so did the miracles… and then later you said that the Word of God was true.
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The first 12 apostles died but there are modern day apostles and there are still many miracles today. You need to spend some alone time with God and practice the art of humility along with a whole lot less self-righteousness. On a witch hunt now are we? Let me lead the way!! Militant feminism has and is creeping into the churches. The apostate church as described by Paul in II Timothy embrace her heresies.
The rise of a dark, subtle sensual spirit of antichrist blended with Babylonian charm is sweeping over our land like a storm. This fits perfectly with the pattern of the rise of the LGBT occult. The stage for the antichrist to soon emerge is rapidly being set up with hurling velocity. Notice this: Moore.. If they were as spiritually astute as they profess they would be at home serving their kids and loving their husbands.
Are you serious? You sound like one of those male chauvinists. The preferences of Paul are not to be taken literally. He is writing from a male Jewish perspective. I am not saying she is completely right but you need to watch how you treat women. Timothy must have had problems with them and the ladies basically told Timothy to Buzz off. Paul always encouraged women to preach as many of them had home churches as seen in a lot of his letters. Woman do not want to be put in the back of the church, not allowed to speak, lets just turn the universe back years.
He plainly stated that though he believes he speaks with the mind of God, he was still a man and therefore capable of mistake. Jesus had many women within His inner circle. Mary Magdalene, an independently wealthy, unmarried from what we can tell from scripture was only one of them. Jesus appeared first to a woman, not by mere coincidence. All i here here is jealousy. This Sounds of the preist who worked to get Jeasus crusified. How sad you are that you harp about men , i seen none should she eject any that show up?
I find it ironic that we hold Lottie Moon up for the saint that she was and tell how she led men and women in China to Christ, and that was OK because she was called a missionary. But here in the states women cannot do that. I think you make a good point, Peggy. Clearly, God utilized Lottie Moon in great ways to His glory. Rather, he stated that he does not allow women to exercise authority over men and the context of that prohibition is in the church. He states that women should remain quiet, and the context of that is in church gatherings.
But she spent most of her time and efforts evangelizing women and children. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion. Lottie Moon seems to be a tremendous example of what is possible when God works through a single believing woman. My pastor once said, when listening to ANY human teaching, eat the meat and spit out the bones. The primary command of Jesus Himself? My heart breaks when I read articles like this one. May God have mercy on your soul! Randy, you are correct. This is a big issue, that women bring their feminist views and try to alter scripture to excuse their sin.
Like they know what it means more than God does! Many have their idols that they are unwilling to let go of, believing that they are teaching rightly the word of God without searching scripture to see if what they teach are true. No discernment. It is knowing the difference between right and almost right. Since they hear Beth Moore teach some truth, her avid fans assume all truth comes out of her mouth. Men are to be over their wives, not the other way around. Same goes for teaching, women do not teach over men. Good luck with that. Have you heard her teach? What specifically have you heard her say that was flat out a lie and unbiblical?
But sadly this article is false too. Hey scripture says greet each with a holy kiss oh my why are you not doing that Also say how terrible it is for a women not to wear head covering. Context matter most. The article even hypocrite as it say Moore Faulty Biblical Hermeneutics. You the writter just as faulty. Hello Peter daughter were prophet to the church. Judge over Israel was a woman. Romans guess what a women was a apostle. The name is a female name.
So many cannot read the bible. So things are custom of the day not a absolute for all time. Washing feet was the custom does ever church do that today? Sadly women run to Meyers and other false women without any discernment at all. Paula White another false women love. You cannot be serious???? I cannot believe that you are believing what you are even saying… Jezebel spirit?!?! At home serving their kids and husbands? You clearly have studied Revelation…sadly, the ones arguing against this article have not. Even setting aside the argument regarding women teaching men, the rest of this critique of Beth Moore is spot on!
A significant reason is because of secular humanism tied to feminism creeping into Biblical interpretation, and thus misinterpretation of scripture to fit secular society falsely empowers women in the church to the point that they overstep traditional Biblical boundaries, and intimidate and virtue signal men, to the point where men stop attending due to the false doctrine that is turning churches lukewarm, apostate, and ultra-feminine.
Jesus help these men not be so obtuse when it comes to interpreting scriptural Context and give the rest of us credit for knowing the scriptures as well as they do and have done our own studies and conclude just as intelligently but differently than they. Thank you for this, pastor. This is discernment done correctly. Are you kidding? Where are the men? There are far more women in the church then men.
When did you ever serve in the nursery or bring food when needed or sing in the choir or teach a bible study. Most men sit at home while the wives go to church and take the kids. When is the last time you invited someone to church or lead someone to Christ? Barbara, none of that matters. As Justin Peters one of the most humble men I have ever met said, she is one of the most dangerous women in evangelicalism today. She is so skilled at twisting the Scripture that she makes it virtually unnoticeable by the less discerning. Maybe the problem is the lack of male leadership which some of the comments here seem to leave a sense of threatened men.
As you know, prophesy is a word from God. Why do people keep mentioning Deborah? Deborah was a judge. It says absolutely nothing about Deborah teaching the Word or being in authority over men or anyone in spiritual areas. And in Judges 5 she sings a song of praise to God for what He had done. Just read Judges chapters 4 and 5, friends. Barbara Your forgetting the important part here. This is a commandment from the Lord. And if you read in the bible and look up 1st Timothy 2 you will plainly see what it indicates that God himself said those words.
And are you better than God huh?? If you are denying God. You need a wake-up call. God specified why he wanted man as a prophet. God is perfect. Just remember that. Quit being a racist person. And think women rule everything. Because they sure do not. If you are not saved. You would not understand the ways of the Lord. As God says that in the bible also. The loss are like the blind leading the blind. They know not the lord and his ways. You might do things in Church. But your a lost soul who truly does not understand the Lord.
I will pray for you. One tip bit here. I do a lot for the church. And I also do bible study. So I am well knowledgeable in the words of the Lord. And I do read daily the bible as well. Do you??? Doug — Deborah WAS a prophetess. Further, Paul mentions women using the gift of prophecy in 1 Cor I have no problem with good male leadership. Just wish I could see more of it once in a while. Barbara, I sympathize with your frustration. Read my comment above.
Satan is attacking not only the American church, but America as well. There are positive movements among men in Christ; Iron Sharpens Iron is one of them. I agree with you. Her ministry comes from the Bible. I am the shepherd of my little home flock and that being said, I become a servant to my lovely wife and beautiful daughter leading them by example as I follow Christ. They would have it no other way. We, as a family, seek only to Glorify God and enjoy Him forever. Read more Scriptures and there is plenty of evidence of women ministering and even leading. I have seen some very powerful and anointed female ministers, who are called of God and not to the egocentric whims of men.
Muslim, gypsy to name a few, are cultures who also believe women are not equals or viable and merely there to facilitate men. When a man loves his wife as how his own flesh would like to be treated and cares for her as Christ gave His life for the church, then a marriage can be filled with love and respect.
Unfortunately, where women are regarded as second rate citizens, the country is economically weak and a place where none care to immigrate. Dewy Beezly, Gal is referring to salvation. Meaning there are no social, economic, or gender barriers when it come to receiving Christ. Many people use that scripture in error. Men and women are equal, but have different roles.
We see this in marriage and the church, institutions created by God. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. Or was it from you that the word of God came? Or are you the only ones it has reached? You are referring to a verse that is about the elect as a whole. A elder must be someone who has one wife.
If so, why all the legalism when it comes to the role of women in the church while turning a blind eye to head coverings, fine jewelry, and expensive clothing? And what do you make of Paul permitting women to prophesy i. And why would God have blessed Deborah of the Old Testament — knowing she exercised authority over men as judge and prophetess? You speak of scriptural context — can we not consider that Paul was addressing the very specific needs of the early church? You tell us to read Judges, right? Amen to that , and Josh picking out a couple scriptures should check himself for Pharisee attitude.
The Spirit speaks through all believers and their anatomy has nothing to do with it!! Thank you, Dewy. Finally someone who speaks from well studied and rightly divided Truth. If only Craig and Josh were brave enough to accept the challenge of opening their minds to deeper study and scriptural exegesis. They are blinded to the fact that the Jezebel spirit they are projecting onto women, they are actually embodying in male form. I wish these men and some women would get about the business of winning souls to Christ instead of foolish arguments that stem from uninformed and unlearned teachings.
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Wild west of Christianity? Have you witnessed a Benny Hinn crusade lately? Every kind of disorder in those meetings. And men leading the way. He is a heretic of the highest order. Wave his hand and people fall in thier seats. Yes I agree with you on this man. Yes, Tracy and James…. Benny Hinn scares me. Very true. Women tend to let their emotions get in the way. James : Beware of the people of the evangelist on TV or in person. If you remember God says beware of false prophets pretending to be something they are not.
There are a lot of people in this world. They do this to make the money and are like wolves in sheep clothing. Just saying here. Thank you, thank you, for this article! This is in my church and am trying to get the word out about all these false teachers. So hard to get people to listen.
I think I agree with Rick. Why not publish an article about what women can do as they serve in the church. The article made me feel like I should do nothing; however, I know there are women in the bible who did great things. Look at Esther for one. What is your point? Jesus redeemed Mary Magdalene cleansed her of demon possession after which she was among the women along with Mary the Mother of Jesus and others who followed Him, and she was the one at the tomb that He appeared to first after His resurrection, so she ran to let the others know.
How does that relate to this? I do not understand how you could be left with that feeling. The Bible lays out a beautiful calling on women. If women want to know how to serve in the church, they should try opening their Bibles. Barbara: if you read more about the crucified of God on the cross. As when one stood by asking and telling God. Look over yonder is your mother and brothers. And instead they should be praying to God directly. And the Catholic people go constantly to denounce their sins.
And what does God say about that huh? He teaches us not to continue to do continuing sins of the same sins over and over again. It is not about equal rights or about What Men can do Women can do the same. There are many things women excel in even in the Church. It is never about competition or jealousy or equality. Besides why do women have to show they are equal to men.
Whom do they have to proove assuming if the issue is about equality. It is not about playing second fiddle. Very encouraged to see this article based on scripture. Many women follow Beth as if she is Christ and do not test her teachings against scripture — 2 Timothy Beth Moore loves Jesus and is a bold teacher of the Word of God. Go Beth!!! Yeah Right…For those who like buying products and attending emotional entertainment events. So the preacher at your church is not paid a salary?
Both speakers are, to heed Paul, worthy of their pay. Satan must be delighted when he can keep Christians busy fighting against each other rather than directing their animosity toward the true enemy. Which Jesus!?.. Certainly not the one in my Bible…He came preaching repentance…something you will never hear at these heretical gold diggers gatherings. Amen, Jvd! I just wonder how many of those who are criticizing her have actually heard her speak or read any of her books.
It is sad that, as someone else commented, we as Christians get so wrapped up in having our own way that we beat each other down. Satan loves it when that happens! It gets our eyes, minds and hearts off Jesus! Exactly what I was thinking. Our nation, in particular, is in need of women who are strong in the Lord.
I will attest to the fact that when going through a Beth Moore Bible study, I am immersed in scripture- the studies are more about reading and getting into the Word and gleaning as much as possible. How do we understand the scripture? Beth Moore is a tool the Lord is using to speak to the hearts of women. Crosby, etc.
End times coming to pass. Church fighting against church. Who is right and who is wrong. I take what all preachers say and test it against Gods word. Try it and stop the nonsense you who are so righteous. For this reason her ministry is focused on teaching women. Further, she has declined offers to become a pastor which certainly backs this conviction. Strikes me as an interesting double-standard.
Allegorical interpretation is NOT the same thing as drawing comparisons to scripture i. This is not what Beth Moore is doing in her studies. Does she seek to draw out practical examples from scripture? I saw no cited examples in this article. Just broad-stroke assertions. The points on the charismatic movement, I believe, are the real crux of the argument. So to align with a charismatic in any way amounts to heresy for many.
He obviously has something against Beth Moore. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but why do only the worse people get to print theirs. Stop worshipping a book of rules and using it falsely to divide, condem and separate for your own agenda or ignorance.
Use the mind God has given you, dare to apply some common sense in place of recycled robotic drivel and twisting scripture to keep the boys rule club going, amen brothers? He was humility and grace and kindess when there was only contempt and scorn. Jesus reached out, He ministered through acts of lifting up others and empowering.
He went in among them and lived, He spoke to their hearts, He led with kindness and love and this — this is what made a world sick of the rigid tyranny and zealots, Pharisees abusing the church, follow Him instead. Of course the Bible is the word of God every bit as relevant today but you waste time and drive souls away moaning and condemning females spreading His salvation and joy! You identify yourselves as the false prophets while you piously believe you are zealously following every verse. Grace is your concern now. Follow Christ, not recipes or lists or laws given to those who had no other way to God.
If you are not using the Bible FAR more to welcome and spread joy, I urge you to be honest with yourself at least about why. Beyond the usual excuses and sanctimonious repeated blather. Thank you!! Strongly agree! This author sounds like one of many in church leadership who has a low view of women. Good grief. People like this writer do enough of that from within the church. Followers of Christ are known by their fruit. Excellent Brandon, my thoughts exactly. The Lord gifted me at a very early age as a musician, leader, speaker. Since I was 9 I knew God called me to serve Him through the local church.
I was a child prodigy concerning my musical abilities. My point is when God calls us by name, then equips us with knowledge, skill, a love for scripture and for other people,how can I not serve Him? Why did he call me and give me everything I need to excel if only to limit my reach to one gender only? I believe in submission to my husband, to my pastor,and most importantly to God.
His grace, mercy,and love are not differentiated by our gender. HE cares about the condition of our soul,not whether we are male or female. Jesus is all about love and Freedom in Him. Paul talked about how submission goes both ways, not just for women. We need to submit ourselves to the Lord first, then live in freedom in Christ. While I agree that Beth Moore is a false teacher, I do have to chuckle when a baptist pastor suggests her hermeneutics are faulty when most baptists ignore or downplay the necessity of baptism.
I love her heart and passion for women. Thank you for this! I am reminded that God tells us that these teaching women and false teachers like them have platforms because their hearers desire what they preach and also what they promote…. Southern Baptist women love and justify Beth Moore because most of their churches are indirectly ran by women and their pastors usually act like feminized game show host.
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Not sure I see your point here. Now in saying that, bigger cities in the south have churches that I do not agree with their type of structure. Some interpret this passage to mean women should never teach in the assembled church; however, commentators point out that Paul did not forbid women from ever teaching. In addition, Paul frequently mentioned other women who held positions of responsibility in the church.
Paul was very likely prohibiting the Ephesian women, not all women, from teaching. Paul was telling Timothy not to put anyone in this case, women into a position of leadership who was not yet mature in the faith. Finally, Angela has the correct answer to the issue! As a minister, I know I have been called by God. He had women involved in ministry in NT times. In the last days God will use your sons and daughters to prophecy.
I listen to the teacher, without judgment on the person. I go to church to experience a closeness to God no matter who is preaching. If a person male or female is annointed by God, who are you to judge Gods choice in ministers. And Beth Moore is annointed by God and she reaches a lot of soles for Christ. And in the end this is all that matters, winning souls for God,.
My goodness, this is disturbing. All they accomplished was turning people away from the church and ultimately away from God. How very sad. I was only 12 years old when they set their sights on me. I was an innocent child, but they wrongly assumed otherwise. They hurt me… But thankfully, because of my relationship with God, I did not allow them to destroy me with their vicious hearts. My point is… Just stop. Stop judging one another. Beth Moore is a strong, courageous woman who has transformed thousands of lives through her ministry.
How many lives have been saved because of the life she lives? How many marriages have been saved? Please stop disassociating Matthew from the rest of the paragraph. Matthew goes together and it Does NOT tell us not to judge. It says to take the log out of our own eye first so you can see clearly to take the speck out of your brothers eye. Also, pay attention to who he is talking to. Sandra Kay: First off you need to relax and quit being a racist of men OK? Just because we post a response to this. Does not mean we are against women of any sort OK?
And nobody is judging one another. Only trying their best to help one another. And there is a verse for that as well. First off if you read the verse on 1st Timothy2 you will see where God forbids any women to become a pastor of any sort. Then it is wrong. Plain and simple. And it stipulates that right in the bible. As the verse I gave you stipulates that exactly. And this woman Beth Moore indicating that Catholic ways are correct. That is not true. As the Catholic Priests call themselves Father.
Please read Malachi And another thing. They allow homosexuals as members. And have Homosexuals as priests. So please read this verse.
Leviticus and Leviticus So as you see her ways are not valid and truthful. I am a Christian. And I do bible study etc in the church. And do other things. So I am familiar with Gods words. But But reading the bible and understanding it meanings. Make a whole lot in things for us to understand about God and his ways. While we are not to judge those who do not hold themselves out to be Christians we are to judge what is put out there by those who claim to be. Thank you, Sandra. You had so many good points.
I will stand up for Beth Moore, because I have heard her and really feel that she has a special calling to speak to women, and she has said that her ministry IS for woman. Her passion is to reach women for many different reasons. I wonder if sometimes some pastors are a little jealous of her??? God and the Bible are very clear on the subject of women being teachers or priests of the Word. It has always been forbidden, without a single exception since the time of creation. Paul may be getting the rap for saying it in his epistles, but every other Apostle and every other Prophet, Priest or King would have all said exactly the same.
Jesus would have said exactly the same. The point is that no-one had to ever bring the topic up because it was never a consideration, it was never ever an option, therefore it need not ever be discussed. Obviously Paul had come across another heresy which was being unleashed on the early church, women preachers, and had to set the matter straight.
That nothing in this regard had changed with the New Covenant, the same rules applied as from the foundation of the earth. The only religions which have ever allowed Priestesses, are those derived from Babylonian pagan worship. You know… Baal, Molech, Ashteroth et al. End of story. I do not need to know names or critisize anyone personally. I will not suffer a woman to preach, either to men or women or children, as I am so commanded. Adam — how do you explain Deborah of the old testament? She was a judge and prophetess over men.
Beth Moore has most likely led more people to Jesus than whatever man it is you hold in highest regard. Dude, in love, reevaluate yourself. My biblical discernment is telling me to pray for you and others like you and to pray that anyone reading or listening to your words will be discerning enough to tune out the irrelevant, hurtful noise and see it for what it is.
And what it is is pharisaical, insecure noise. Josh, perhaps I am misunderstanding your first point. Kay Arthur has written and published and teaches Bible studies…I assume are used by men and women alike. Are you saying that she is in error as well? Indeed, any woman that does this? Thank you. Then what about women missionaries? Are we as women prohibited from carrying out the great commission…because we do need to use the scriptures to do so…. I agree with the main thrust of this article.
What is the lesson to be learned from David and Goliath? These are the lessons I see: God is powerful. God is in control. God saves. Have faith in God. This story reveals the character and power of God. True faith comes from witnessing God in his glory. What an ungracious aricle. This article is an undeserved witch hunt against Beth Moore. I could not agree more with what you stated. Throw everything else aside, extra biblical revelation is a big deal and should be a huge warning beacon to every Christian.
Sometimes you have to spit out the bones but you can still enjoy the meat. And you could take any teacher and find something to pull out of context or disagree with. We ought to be discerning. Rick, I must respectfully disagree. Surely you uphold the same biblical standards in that category, am I right? Yes we all should be concerned doing Lords will and also we bare of being deceived ourselves. Yes we all should be concerned doing Lords will and also we bare of being deceived ourselves I rather be praying for those who love the Lord and His name….
Scary to see that supposed Christian men are as oppressive to women as Muslims. What he has said her is not oppressive in the least towards women. Just because God has not allowed women to preach or teach me does not mean that God cannot use women. The prohibition of women leading men is an honor, not an oppression.
Men are to lead women and as such are held accountable for the actions of their families and those they lead. As a women, I am not held to such a high responsibility. Kristy — what about Deborah? Judge and Prophetess over men. Kristy: I wanted to thank you for your most correct answer on here. As you hit the nail on the head. You was very accurate in the words you stated. It is sad to me that women have abdicated their identity to men who misinterpret the bible. You say that God has not allowed women to preach or teach? Where do you get such laws?
Or is freedom only for men? Do you know what those people were doing in those days? Women are ordered in 3 books of the NT to be silent, keep their heads covered and not permitted to teach. Are you keeping silent in your church? Do you keep your head covered along with keeping your place to never teach? Taking one part of a scripture absolutely and disregarding the back half of the same passage apparently as contextual is indefensible. If you believe the first part of that verse, you better be quiet.
And this mandate is repeated in 1 Cor In addition, there are strict orders for women to keep their heads covered as well. Do you do that? I suggest you look at women leaders in he bible. The reason Deborah is repeatedly mentioned is because she led the nation of Israel. Is it reasonable to you to believe that God allowed her to lead a nation and be a prophetess to millions and not allow her to teach men in church of 25 people?
Is it reasonable that women walking with God for 60 years cannot teach a 19 year male baby christian? Is it reasonable for Paul to put a Phoebe in charge in Rome Rom while he was in prison? Is it reasonable for Junia, a women, is mentioned among the apostles Rom ? If all these things are forbidden under your mandate that women are not allowed to speak or teach, why the inconsistencies above?
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Mk ch16 1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. Lk ch24 1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came ["went" NIV ] unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Mt ch28 2 And, behold, there was ["had been" KJV margin, Wenham p78 ] a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord ["had" Wenham p78 ] descended from heaven, and came ["had come" Wenham p78 ] and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. Mk ch16 4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. Lk ch24 2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. Jn ch20 and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. Mt ch28 5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Mk ch16 5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. Lk ch24 3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. Jn ch20 3 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre. Mk ch16 9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. Jn ch20 11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre, 12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
Mt ch28 9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. Mk ch16 10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. Lk ch24 9 And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.